Difference between revisions of "Talk:Artificial Academy 2/Advanced Tips"

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Taken from the wiki page where it doesn't belong. Keep discussions in the talk pages, please. Remember to sign your post and indent with colon. --hmoeller ^{[ Talk - Contribs ]} 05:25, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

@ Chicory, I am not sure you are checking e-mail box or the forum so I put it here. I really hope we can discuss this in the forum so Admins can listen. To answer your e-mail, there are no Like and Dislike options in v10. Only Love and Hate ratio exist. Turn on Love x10 ratio and Hate x0 ratio, and 'everyone in H mood' so you can accelerate the progress. Yes, you can use your savegame editor to make a complete orgy class to skip the progress. It may be closer to your class you are playing.

This revised guide is intended to give players a bigger picture so they can play by their own style with open decisions. They can play progressive, or use editors to skip the progress, and they may using other editor programs from the one you are using.

Another answer; JG2ChrData is not a good tool for editing relationship points. But most importantly, it is not suggestible for Wiki to guide people to use specific program if alternatives exist. And to the argument, there are many people visiting Wiki who are not using HF patch and or JG2ChrData inside of it. No, we don't have official rules you requested because we can discuss in the forum anytime if this kind of need arises.

People already know about this kind of class mode(especially in /hgg/), and they play it with their own various ways. Wiki is for general information. But if you so eagerly want to narrow a public guide to your way, I guess it is best to bring an open discussion at the forum. And note that I am busy as you are; if that was your point. --Anononfire, 01:29, 23 September 2014

@Anononfire and XxGODLIKExx (not sure which I am replying to). It is true that I have not checked my mailbox often but when I did I saw no emails from either of you. I would be happy to discuss this in a forum but I do not know where that is or how to start a discussion. Perhaps you can give me some directions.

You mentioned that there are better editors. I would appreciate some guidance on what they are and how they can be obtained.

I agree that the guide should be a guide to essentials so that people can play their own game. That is what I was working towards. Instead of mentioning a specific editor, I could say to adjust love points with the editor of your choice. I see you did something like that. I apologize that my time is limited. Basically when I have some free time, such as now, I take another whack at it and make improvements. This may not be quick enough for publication and I could understand that, if that is the case.

When I open up Config additions, it says "Love/Like Ratio Modifier" and "Dislike/Hate Ratio Modifier." There are 6 all together, one each for "NPC-NPC," "PC-NPC" and "NPC-PC." Perhaps you have a somewhat different translation but I am sure it is the same thing. I have tried using this with values from 0 to 10 - it made things worse than not using it all. I end up having to use the editor more than usual. I have not found the setting of "Everyone in H mood" to be helpful. In fact it tends to bypass the "interactions and relationship developments" you mention. If you slowly have each character become the lover of every other character then you do use the "interactions and relationship development" in AA2 a lot and you do not need the "everyone in H mode" option. .

The differences in our experiences with the Love - Hate buttons may be because we are using it on much different situations. I think you have something else in mind than what I am doing. It looks like you are doing a quick and easy simultaneous public sex of some sort, while I am at the other end of the spectrum trying to establish something like a sustainable group marriage of some sort. I am going to give your way a try just to see what the differences are. You may want to do the same the other way around.

I had the idea that perhaps the best way to present this in the Wiki is to present both ends of the spectrum: the quick-and-easy gangbang and the long-to-accomplish group marriage. That way people would be able to make their own variations between the two poles, just as there are many different colors between the ends of a light spectrum. I have made an edit to try that. Look it over and see what you think.

I began this when I read about the 3P mode and I asked myself, if I had 4 or 5 players - all lovers to each other - would extend it to something like a 4P or a 5P. I found that by doing that, you could create a group that would freely have H among its members without jealousy or cheating accusations - and that it could be sustained like a group marriage. So I set out to see what basic elements would cause that and what would sustain it. That is more than a just particular class, and could be used in the many ways. Much as you allude to when you say "so they can play by their own style with open decisions. They can play progressive, or use editors to skip the progress."

Best, --Chicory, 04:55, 24 September 2014

@ Chicory Ok, so you didn't receive any of my responses. First, as you agreed in your first e-mail, you must establish valid information before listing at wiki. We normally skip this procedure because we use right sources for confirmed information or generic info that have been proven by many hands. But since you are differentiating your classroom from others by self-claimed discoveries, you must prove them by testaments.

I will quote what you wrote in your first e-mail:

"Some seem to feel this is just really harem in another form. It is not that. It is a group sex situation that seems to be intended by Illusion as a special mode. It has its own special script lines and activities. So part of the wiki is to point this out to the naysayers who have tried to take it down etc. It has take me some time to figure out how to activate and keep it active so the wiki has been a bit wordy and subjective while I am getting it down to the basics. Perhaps I should have simply waited until I had it all sorted out before I put it in the wiki, but I had the idea that others would try it and contribute or edit it."

They are not naysayers since your guide didn't prove anything of your theory. We are totally unaware of these special lines, special activities intended by Illusion as a special mode you mentioned. If you are talking about dialogues around public sex, they have been existed in AA1. I did a full test last weekend as I promised in my unread email. I exactly simulated your guide and and the result was exactly simile of our understanding since there was no 'special mode' activated or something. And yes, as you agreed, you should have wrote in the community before listing at wiki so others could try.

I will remove Orgy Class guide since it is on pending at this moment. To do the test, first you must clearly describe what is this special mode, special lines, special activities that make the game different. Second, post your savegame copy so we can analyze the details. The simulation I ran failed to prove any difference so this is the necessary part. Once we find out this special mode and make a solid ground based on it, then you can render this mode so people can try and contribute feedback.

@[whoever wrote the last comment] Would you please sign your comment as Hmoeller asked (see beginning of thread). I am guessing you are Anononfire, but I would like to know rather than guess. If you are Anononfire I would also appreciate it if you would answer my previous questions:

1. You mentioned there are better editors than JG2ChrData. What are they and where can they be gotten?

2. Are you in charge of what goes up here and what does not? If you are not then who is?

3. Where is the forum that you mentioned. Is this it?

There is more but I would like to know the username of the person I am talking to first.

My nights have been free for the last few nights, but that is about to end. Please do not be offended if I don't reply right away.

Chicory (talk) 03:14, 25 September 2014 (UTC)